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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, per overwhelming consensus, before this gets to DW crazed. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doctor Who 2008 Christmas special

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This article has been moved to The Next Doctor. SoWhy 13:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think it should stay because we all know its going to happen. Goku1st (talk) 23:03, 5 July 2008 (GMT)
  • If for some reason it didn't happen ,that very fact would fact it notable ,eg The Doctor Who 2008 Christmas special was never broadcast due to .....' Gnevin (talk) 13:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I think, as with other articles which had few information (like future Bond movies), it has always been common policy to allow temporary articles with few information so they can be linked to, expanded once information arises and allow people to easily gather the information already available. In this case, we have a couple of major points already, even if the only source is a 15-seconds trailer: We know the main character (the Doctor), we have two notable guest stars, we know a approximate air date and a major plot point. -- SoWhy Talk 22:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    The only source is a trailer that not a lot of people have seen. Those of us who haven't seen the trailer can't find a thing about this film. -- Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Film? Are you familiar with this subject matter, Hammer? Tphi (talk) 05:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Evidently not, or he'd realise that between 8 and 10 million Britons saw the trailer at the end of the last episode of Doctor Who. (Ratings pending, based on preliminary estimates.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Sources do not need to be available to everyone. It can be verified easily by asking a UK based editor to view the trailer. WP:CRYSTAL is not the case as this is indeed confirmed. WP:V does not say that the source has to be easily accessible by everyone, else old books for example couldn't be used as sources. -- SoWhy Talk 22:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep If you can have an article called "Bond 22" for a year, then I see no harm in this. Also, its confirmed that the episode will happen! I mean, come on! It's already been filmed and was advertised at the end of the series 4 finale... All Grown Up! Defender 23:22, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The "Bond 22"/Quantum of Solace article might have been created long before the film's release, but there must surely have been adequate sources of information to justify its presence on Wikipedia, albeit unnamed and with some details yet to be confirmed. As a feature-length motion picture, it is bound to have a lot more coverage. What we're dealing with right here, right now is a single episode of a TV series, currently without a solid, known title, whose article contains barely any information (furthermore, most of what is there at the moment is either repetitive or unsourced speculation). It also seems dubious to rely on a source such as the tabloid Daily Mail, which is normally not be trusted too faithfully. Yes, we know that there will be a Christmas special, and that it will feature the Cybermen, but does this article really have to be made so soon? I say wait for future news from reliable sources (BBC, DWM etc.) before acting too rashly. -- SuperMarioMan (talk) 23:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: the episode has been filmed and will air so if we delete it now we’re just going to have to recreate it later. Information is slowly beginning to emerge and we need somewhere to put this information as it does. Also it’s useful to have a place for other articles to link to for this. -- Mutt (talk) 00:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, at least provisionally. The trailer is as reliable a source as we can have that the episode will air, the Crystal Ball rule clearly allows articles about things that will happen within the forseeable future, and we know some things about it: not many, perhaps, but enough to enough to make the article worthwhile. The article can always be replaced when we know more. -- And Introducing... A Leg (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep because the episode is known to exist and has been advertised (via the trailer), and has received coverage in an additional source as described above. -- DavidK93 (talk) 00:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Episode is known to exist, article is not a perma-stub. I'm sure you can find two independent sources for it. In a case like this where it's something we will obviously have an article on and there is no doubt that it is going to happen we may as well keep the article and let it develop. -- Phil Sandifer (talk) 02:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per WP:CRYSTAL. As with other Doctor Who episodes, this would be considered notable (Dragons Flight has provided secondary coverage in addition). The only question is whether the show will take place. Just as presumably we'll see the 2016 elections, I think that we'll also end up seeing this in Christmas 2008. -- Fraud talk to me 03:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - multiple verifiable sources, main production is complete and post-production is under way. Some feature films will get a smaller audience than this special can expect; we will have eyes on this article. -- Radagast (talk) 04:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Doesn't even remotely meet the guidelines for speedy deletion. There has been a trailer and there is information available through other sources. The title isn't available yet, but there needs to be an article on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leilaht (talk • contribs) 04:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. Virtually certain not only to occur, but also be covered in an increasing number of reliable sources. In addition, the subject is "... of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred." (WP:CRYSTAL) -- aBSuRDiST -T ☺ C- 07:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The villain, air time, guest stars and the Doctor are confirmed... how many people may have seen the trailer, or that Ten Pound Hammer hasn't seen it, is irrelevant, it is verifiable and was seen on the BBC by millions. The article contains other printed sources, and interest in the episode will be high. Certainly not in the spirit of WP:CRYSTAL which does not apply here, there is no speculative information therein. --Canley (talk) 12:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:FUTURE and WP:NOTABILITY. Seriously people, I see so many "keeps per WP:CRYSTAL" it is insane. The article contains no information partaining to the epiosde itself, is filled with non-information that the name has not been revealed yet, and lacks any sort of reliable sources; most information is coming from tabloids. The information that is available only relates to the production, which is best suited in List of Doctor Who serials. There is just too little information and notability to sustain a seperate article for now. "It exists" is not reason enough to have an article. Article creation should be suspended until we at least have a title, and we have enough sourceble information. — Edokter • Talk • 13:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • It discusses a few names of people who star in it plus it says who the villianis are and what time of year the episode will generally air. It's a stub... it will be expanded as more information becomes available... according to Wikipedia:Stub the articele "should contain enough information for other editors to expand upon it". There is definetly enough info here for somebody to expand upon it once that information becomes available. WP:FUTURE goes to the same place as WP:CRYSTAL so I don't get your distinction between the two. As for Notability, this page is just as notable as any other Dr. Who episode page on wikipedia.--Dr who1975 (talk) 21:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The relevant guideline is WP:NFF. Satisfies that guideline, for me. Principal photography has clearly commenced, obviously notable subject, enough reliably sourced material to have some meaningful content in the article. AndyJones (talk) 13:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Although there's a not a lot of info at the moment, there should be more announcements before too long. True, we could delete it until then, but is it really worth deleting it just to reopen it after such little time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proonography (talk • contribs) 16:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep While this article is on a fictional subject, and is in the future, the sources that have been added, specifically this one and this one convince me that this article should be kept. I note the previous delete votes, but also note that further sources have been added since then, which are independent of the trailer. Steve Crossin (contact) 17:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep To quote WP:CRYSTAL "Scheduled or expected future events should be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place."... production has been completed on this episode as evidenced by the sources... therefore it is almost certain to take place. Why do people always quote CRYSTAL without having actually read it. It is also acuratly marked as a stub and will be further expanded when more info becomes available. Otherwise... all stubs should be deleted due to small content... this idea that an artilce can't exist simply because a title hasn't been released is really getting ridiculous.--Dr who1975 (talk) 21:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, i see no problem keeping this artical for now, last year the bbc website released a good deal of information for us to create the voyage of the damned article, although the cybermen of wikipedia will probably still find this article unworthy and will delete it!--Lerdthenerd (talk) 08:00, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. Confirmed production, completed and promoted by the BBC and multiple non-trivial sources. Will be renamed once the BBC announces the title. No WP:CRYSTAL issue at all. This is no different than us having an article called Bond 22 for a year before the title Quantum of Solace was announced because it is a confirmed production for an undeniably major entertainment franchise. if this is deleted then Star Trek (film) would have to be deleted as well. Definitely looks like a WP:SNOW scenario to me right now. 23skidoo (talk) 14:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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